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Stuffing wars
There's been a debate that's been going on in my family for years. My father claims that cornbread stuffing is the only real stuffing worth shoving up a turkey's ass and that every Texan knows this. My mother, the one who actually does the work and makes the stuffing, sticks to her Yankee guns and makes bread based stuffing. Lately, I've noticed some sausage in there, and she's gone with seven grain breads instead of the wonderbread we used to use when I was a kid.

My mother claims that even if she conceeded the cornbread stuffing superiority point (which she will never do), she doesn't know how to make cornbread stuffing, so it's a moot point. My father isn't brave enough to take over the stuffing making duties. I think he realizes that he could be stuck with the whole Thanksgiving meal if he started moving in on her turf. So he a) polls everyone he runs into at this time of the year hoping to find people to back up his position and overwhelm my mother with numbers, b) ends up buying cornbread stuffing from some like-minded restaurant or catering company or grocery store, and c) ironically enough, sticks to baking the bread for the Thanksgiving meal. Plus, I don't think he ever learned how to make it either.

More people eat my mother's homemade stuffing than my father's purchased stuffing. In the Thanksgivings that I've cooked when I've lived away from my parents, I've always gone with the bread stuffing, since I don't know how to make any other kind. I think that my siblings would probably do the same.

I caught my mother playing the same polling game this morning at the gym. She asked Wooch, who was born in Beaumont, what his family made (bread). So I figured I'd ask a larger sample that's not necessarily from Texas. It's a largely academic point for me, since I'll be eating the smallest Thanksgiving turkey that [info]graham14 could find in LA.

Poll #1092027 Stuffing
Open to: All, detailed results viewable to: All

What sort of stuffing do you (or your family) use for Thanksgiving Dinner?

View Answers

Bread based stuffing
17 (50.0%)

Cornbread based stuffing
5 (14.7%)

Stovetop or other out of the box stuffing
3 (8.8%)

Dunno. I just eat it.
1 (2.9%)

Dunno. Why waste stomach room on stuffing when there's turkey?
2 (5.9%)

Other (explain in comments below)
6 (17.6%)



Feel free to give recipes in the comments.

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raithen From: [info]raithen Date: November 20th, 2007 06:59 pm (UTC) (Link)
we do bread based, and always have. But we have to cook it separate from the turkey so that Mom can still eat the turkey- she's celiac, so the bread is kind of toxic to her....

So Grama usually makes stuffing and cooks it in tinfoil. One year we tried a rice stuffing in the bird. It was AWFUL....
rainbow From: [info]rainbow Date: November 21st, 2007 01:17 am (UTC) (Link)
oh no :( i am trying a brown rice stuff this year, the middle one from here

is it like the one you tried?

me=worried now
raithen From: [info]raithen Date: November 21st, 2007 01:35 am (UTC) (Link)
that sounds NUMMY. Mom's allergic to nuts too though, so ours was REALLY BLAND. I wouldn't worry at ALL. I'm sure it will be delicious! You are a Good COok, too ;)
rainbow From: [info]rainbow Date: November 21st, 2007 01:46 am (UTC) (Link)
oh, thank goodness! cause it SOUNDS YUMMY, but then i got nervous. and it sounds like something i could have some of without my blood sugar and insulin getting out of whack too. i just have to murder a squish before we have thanksgiving (next week for us, cause this week is busy with tiling), so i will have punkin seeds :)
electricland From: [info]electricland Date: November 20th, 2007 07:01 pm (UTC) (Link)
Bread based, but usually rounded out with some Stovetop. And there are water chestnuts and celery and things.
lostvoice From: [info]lostvoice Date: November 20th, 2007 07:14 pm (UTC) (Link)
I love bread-based, but like raithen's mom, I'm not supposed to have it anymore. However, bread doesn't make me quite as sick, so I cheat. BUT, we make some for me that's not in the turkey, 'cause of the vegetarianism. I'm so complicated. ;)
texaslawchick From: [info]texaslawchick Date: November 20th, 2007 07:18 pm (UTC) (Link)
Heh. My sister and I found this Someecard yesterday and are trying to find someone to send it to.

lostvoice From: [info]lostvoice Date: November 20th, 2007 07:41 pm (UTC) (Link)
Ahahahahaha!

That.
Is Awesome.
shehawken From: [info]shehawken Date: November 20th, 2007 07:52 pm (UTC) (Link)
fussy you say? ;)
lostvoice From: [info]lostvoice Date: November 20th, 2007 07:56 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh hush, you!
twistedcat From: [info]twistedcat Date: November 20th, 2007 07:15 pm (UTC) (Link)
i'm allergic to wheat.

cornbread, contrary to common belief, also contains wheat.

The Boi(tm)'s mother is considerate enough not to shove bread products up the turkey's ass so that i can eat it, since we go to their place for the holiday meal (and then run away to go goth dancing).

they may eat stuffing, although it is not stuffed. i have no idea. i eat turkey and i eat mashed potatoes. everything else makes me nervous.
willagurl From: [info]willagurl Date: November 20th, 2007 07:15 pm (UTC) (Link)
I have always made the Sage Cornbread Stuffing (you can find the recipe at Epicurious.com), from a 1975 issue of Gourmet or Bon Appetit. I have heard that it's the best stuffing ever from many a Thanksgiving guest. This year, I'm going to try a bread-based stuffing with sausage. I'm super nervous about it, but am trying to embrace change. I'll let you know how it goes!
jasheffe From: [info]jasheffe Date: November 20th, 2007 07:22 pm (UTC) (Link)
I've never had cornbread stuffing and am now wondering what it would taste like...
badrahessa From: [info]badrahessa Date: November 20th, 2007 07:32 pm (UTC) (Link)

Stuffing wars

Stuffing is gross, Stuffing is moooshy. Mooshy food is unappealing.
tourogal From: [info]tourogal Date: November 20th, 2007 07:39 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Stuffing wars

My sentiments exactly.
suzannemarie From: [info]suzannemarie Date: November 20th, 2007 08:28 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Stuffing wars

And mine. No to stuffing.
pegster From: [info]pegster Date: November 21st, 2007 04:46 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Stuffing wars

people always go on and on and on about the stuffing/dressing/whatever. i always take a little bit, eat just enough so they won't be offended, because i really don't dig stuffing at all. or dressing.

glad to know i'm not alone.
cricketnyc From: [info]cricketnyc Date: November 20th, 2007 07:40 pm (UTC) (Link)
We start with the bag o'stuffing mix- not stovetop. We add garlic and butter and chicken broth and celery and onions and sausage until it's a sludgy mess and then bake it up in all its deliciousness.

ETA: And we do bake it in a casserole, and serve it on the side, not cook it or serve it in the bird. Which I guess makes it technically dressing, not stuffing.

Edited at 2007-11-20 07:51 pm (UTC)
shehawken From: [info]shehawken Date: November 20th, 2007 07:54 pm (UTC) (Link)

Honestly

It depends on who's making it. My late grandmother used to make everything from scratch but I do remember stovetop boxes kicking around. My sister makes bread based sausage stuffing. mmmm... spicy.
graham14 From: [info]graham14 Date: November 20th, 2007 08:20 pm (UTC) (Link)
I've done the bread based and a mix of bread and cornbread, never stuffing the actual bird. Bird is to be stufffed with herbs and aromatics. Bread based stuffing should have bread, celery, onions, stock, and maybe a touch of garlic and herbs/spices. No sausage or oysters. Any deviation from this should result in imprisonment and execution as a philistine. Mixing in cornbread is a mistake and will get you no mercy in the court of How Graham Thinks It Should Be Done.
texaslawchick From: [info]texaslawchick Date: November 20th, 2007 08:36 pm (UTC) (Link)
This is why you're in charge. :D

I get to make the apple pie, though.

Edited at 2007-11-20 08:39 pm (UTC)
raithen From: [info]raithen Date: November 20th, 2007 09:12 pm (UTC) (Link)
oh dear me. it's twu wuv ;).
wienerdog_racer From: [info]wienerdog_racer Date: November 20th, 2007 08:41 pm (UTC) (Link)
Guess I'll be the lone wolf here with the cornbread stuffing. I grew up in West Texas, and that's what we had. Every Thanksgiving and Christmas dinner, it was with cornbread stuffing. I don't have a recipe to share, as just the womenfolk have it, and don't share it.

That's ok though, 'cause I make biscuits and chocolate gravy every Thanksgiving morning, and that beats knowing some stuffing recipe. :D
texaslawchick From: [info]texaslawchick Date: November 20th, 2007 08:45 pm (UTC) (Link)
Chocolate gravy???? This sounds like a wonderful, wonderful invention.
raithen From: [info]raithen Date: November 20th, 2007 09:12 pm (UTC) (Link)
YES! Want. Recipe ;)
rainbow From: [info]rainbow Date: November 21st, 2007 01:17 am (UTC) (Link)
chocolate gravy??? share recipe? pretty please?
slinxxx From: [info]slinxxx Date: November 20th, 2007 09:17 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'm not a big fan of the stuffing....and I won't eat any that's actually been shoved inside the bird...it always seems slimy to me.

when cooking for thanksgiving I've made both bread stuffing and cornbread stuffing....they seem about equal to me....cornbread stuffing tends to come out a little drier...then again maybe the cornbread I make is too dry to begin with.

but overall I'm more a fan of the other side dishes..namely I've been really into making savory mashed sweet potatoes [though this year I'm also going to make candied yams cuz the old folks like that gooey marshmallow atrocity]
texaslawchick From: [info]texaslawchick Date: November 20th, 2007 09:25 pm (UTC) (Link)
Savory? That sounds really good. I make mashed sweet potatoes with cinnamon and lime juice and honey that tends to go over well. It's amazing how key the lime juice is to that recipe.

And my brother does a cassarole sweet potato thing that sort of has a flour/butter/brown sugar/pecan crust on top.

It's never occured to me to go savory. I'll have to experiment with that.
moppety From: [info]moppety Date: November 20th, 2007 09:46 pm (UTC) (Link)
Alton did a chipotle tinged recipe that sounded good. Unfortunately I'll never be able to try it because I just can't get past the texture of the things.
rainbow From: [info]rainbow Date: November 21st, 2007 01:18 am (UTC) (Link)
ooh, how do you make savory mashed sweet potatoes? i can't have regular potatoes and want something as a substitute that's not sweet.
slinxxx From: [info]slinxxx Date: November 21st, 2007 02:36 am (UTC) (Link)
it's super simple

you just peel and cook up your sweet potatoes. [I generally use the pressure cooker...but you can probably steam them ]

then mash them up with butter and cream...add a little salt, pepper, and nutmeg. you can probably also experiment with other spices that you like...ground cloves might be interesting...season to your taste and enjoy.
rainbow From: [info]rainbow Date: November 21st, 2007 02:51 am (UTC) (Link)
ooh, thank you!
moppety From: [info]moppety Date: November 20th, 2007 09:40 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'm all about the bread based, K is a cornbread boy. Me = Virginia, K = Baytown. Nuff said.

He has made a drastic turnaround the past few holidays, because stuffing is one of the few things that my mom does well. He really likes her dressing. It is dressing when it's cooked outside the bird, right?

Pepperidge farm bagged stuffing bits (herb flavo(u)red), butter, stock, celery, onions, mushrooms and slivered almonds. Cooked till hot, not mushy.

*drool*Yummy!
stexgirl2000 From: [info]stexgirl2000 Date: November 20th, 2007 10:38 pm (UTC) (Link)
Depending on which grandparent's house we were at, it was either cornbread stuffing (Houston Grandma) or bread based stuffing (NYC Grandma/Aunt's House). And when we weren't at the grandparents, it went back and forth, depending on my mother's mood and what new recipe she wanted to try.

Now I make bread based stuffing because my husband is allergic to corn. I buy a plain organic stuffing base and add onions, mushrooms, shallot, garlic, sage, rosemary, thyme and Italian parsely. I saute the veggies and herbs until the onions and shallots are translucent, then after it's cooled, mix in the stuffing base along with egg and white wine. Salt and pepper to taste.

I bake my stuffing separately from the bird (at about 350 until it's done--aka a skewer comes out clean), because if it's just the husband and I (and now kiddo too) I roast a chicken and I stuff the chicken with lemon and aromatics. (My husband does not like turkey. When I have people over for Thanksgiving I cook a turkey and I also make a brisket so that my husband won't make faces about eating turkey.)
kittyajh From: [info]kittyajh Date: November 20th, 2007 10:57 pm (UTC) (Link)
Growing up here in TX all I've ever had was my grandmother's cornbread stuffing. Mom uses the same recipe (in fact last night when i stopped by the house was full of the smell of Mom getting an early start on it). Anytime you want a recipe, let me know.

Oddly enough - I thought that all stuffing/dressing (another debate we could get going - which is it?) was cornbread based. Imagine my surprise when my first Turkey Day away from TX and I'm served not only bread dressing but bread dressing/stuffing and DUCK! My world was cork-eyed!
From: (Anonymous) Date: November 21st, 2007 12:26 am (UTC) (Link)
Tiffany's Italian grandmother has a recipe for an awesome sausage/rice/fennel stuffing that's as good outside the bird as it is inside it. She has bequeathed the recipe to Tiffany, and it's my favorite part of the meal now. I can eat the leftovers for days. Mmmmmmmmmmmmm...

-- Kuff
rainbow From: [info]rainbow Date: November 21st, 2007 01:16 am (UTC) (Link)
grampa made wonderful stuff from dried out bread, broth, celery, onion, sage, salt, and pepper, i think, all stuffed in the bird. it was WONDERFUL and i miss it SO MUCH. but gluten free bread does NOT make good stuffing, and i can't have corn either now, so i am trying the recipe here for brown rice stuff this year.

i dont t hink it's stuffing if it's not stuffed inside, too. *stomp* why DO so many ppl bake it separate? grampa made an extra dish of stuffing when there was a big gathering so we wouldnt run out, but nobody ever touched it til the stuff from the bird was gone. it just doesn't taste the same outside, and the texture is wrong. i like the pudding like texture.

oh, i HATE being gluten intolerant :(



Edited at 2007-11-21 01:26 am (UTC)
kimexclaimation From: [info]kimexclaimation Date: November 21st, 2007 05:33 am (UTC) (Link)
People bake the stuffing outside of the bird because of bacteria issues.
rainbow From: [info]rainbow Date: November 21st, 2007 05:44 am (UTC) (Link)
bacteria fromwhat?
kimexclaimation From: [info]kimexclaimation Date: November 21st, 2007 05:57 am (UTC) (Link)
The raw turkey. If the stuffing soaks up bacteria from the turkey and is not cooked all the way, it can make people sick. A lot of people stuff the bird too tight and the stuffing doesn't cook all the way.
rainbow From: [info]rainbow Date: November 21st, 2007 06:15 am (UTC) (Link)
is that from the antibiotic resistance thing in factory poultry? i think everybody stuffed the bird when we were little and i dont remember ppl getting sick from turkey or chicken back then (60s and 70s).

it seems like the news started about getting sick from chicken in the 90s and it was cause they were raised in filthy factories adn fed antibiotics, and the bacteria was getting way resistant to the antibiotics. is it the same thing with turkey?

i know grampa always thawed the turkey in the icebox, made the stuffing fresh and hot that morning, rinsed the turkey good with fresh water and rubbed it with salt, then stuffed it with the warm dressing and put it straight into the oven. and i member him saying not too much, cause it needs to expand and soak up the juices. and ltos of hand washing before we touched anything.

we've always had the weak immune system that gets sick from bacteria way too easy, but i dont remember use ever getting sick from turkey the way grampa made it.

but we get fresh local turkeys now anyways. they dont have that yucky taste from the plastic or the icky stale flavor like ones in the shrinkwrapped plastic. and i like knowing they grew up just 3 miles away on a nice farm where they got lots of love.
moppety From: [info]moppety Date: November 21st, 2007 04:14 pm (UTC) (Link)
Exactly. It was explained to me that in order to get the stuffing to the proper "safe" temperature, you essentially have to overcook the bird. And overcooked turkey is just *blecch*

charlayne From: [info]charlayne Date: November 21st, 2007 02:47 am (UTC) (Link)
Cornbread AND white rolls dressing.

I bake fresh, southern (ie: sweet) cornbread and use brown-n-serve rolls, all crumbled up together with celery and onions and then sprinkled with sage and salt to taste, then add chicken stock till moist but not wet. Oven 350, bake till crisp on top.

I won't be cooking this year though.
charlayne From: [info]charlayne Date: November 21st, 2007 02:50 am (UTC) (Link)
In turkey...apple and oranges cut up and with a bit of butter. Never stuffing.
aka_becker From: [info]aka_becker Date: November 21st, 2007 03:09 am (UTC) (Link)
My mother might use crutons instead of regular bread, but it is bread based with celery and onions and other stuff and sausage. Most of it is then stuffed in the turkey, but some isn't. I prefer the not in the turkey to the in the turkey, but all of it is usually great, unless she's experimenting with the veggies. It tends to be my favorite part of the meal.

I'm not really sure how she makes it since, after this conversation, I avoid the kitchen when she's cooking:

(chopping up potatoes with a peeler) Mom: You know, if it weren't for all the blood, I'd probably make a good murderer. I like stabbing things.
Me: OK, mom, I'll be downstairs.
(Luckily, she really doesn't like blood)
kimexclaimation From: [info]kimexclaimation Date: November 21st, 2007 05:44 am (UTC) (Link)

Cornbread! Cornbread! Cornbread!

Bread stuffing is gross. Oysters inside a turkey is gross.

My mother (originally from Alabama) makes some awesome cornbread stuffing. She used to stuff the bird, but resorted to only stuffing the neck cavity because of the whole bacteria issue. Sadly, I won't get any for Thanksgiving. She's eating at my sister's house. We're not. I'm hoping to convince mom to make the stuffing for X-Mas.
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